If you didn't know, New Agers are now called New Spirituality and the teach that God is "in" everything and "in" everyone. That we just need to realize "who" we really are. That we are all connected, we are all one. Does this sound familiar to anyone who has read Rob Bells books?

It is also what John Donne, the great philosopher,poet and Dean of St Paul's Cathedral in London taught in the 17th century

No man is an island13, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory14 were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee

Not so 'new age' at all then is it?

That being said…I think we’ve reached a point where this conversation is no longer productive.

Therefore I’m going to close the comments on this post.

Once again…Thanks.

Just so you know to whom you are addressing, I became a Christian when I was 18. I have followed Jesus for 20 years now. I have had the privilege of sharing Christ with many people and seeing many people trust Him as their savior. I believe the Bible is the inerrant word of God and that Jesus is the only way to salvation. I am far from a heretic, and I have taken seriously the command to go into all the world, having been on two mission trips to China and going back again this year. Through those trips I have seen many people become believers and be baptized, and the love of God spread.

I say all this simply to let you know that you are battling the wrong people, Diane. While you should be battling Satan and taking God’s LOVE to a dying world, you are busy fighting other believers. Please come to your senses and stop, and get out there and start loving the lost, rather than fighting your brothers and sisters.

Again, I say: Peace of Christ to all!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNq8yMxSARQ

Thought you might like this video from youtube.

Diaprax is a word coined by Dean Gotcher, founder of the Institute for Authority Research. Dean has traveled the United States and given over 1,000 live presentations to Christians explaining this wicked technique that is surreptitiously destroying our families, our government, and even our Christian churches.

After reading and digesting 600+ social psychology books, Mr. Gotcher joined the word dialectic and the word praxis to create the term DIAPRAX. Dialectic is a philosophical term that describes the use of dialogue to resolve conflict between opposing ideas or opinions. The word Praxis simply means “to practice.” Therefore, Diaprax is the practice of the dialectic.

These terms are derived from the ungodly 18th century philosophical model that is known as the Hegelian Dialectic. Named after the German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Hegel (although considerably refined since its inception in Hegel’s era), this world view has now completely enveloped the world.

In its simplest form, the Diaprax system is a process whereby the entire world will eventually dialog until they reach a consensus. The 3 part formula consists of 3 essential components: Thesis, Antithesis, and Synthesis. Simply put, a “thesis” is combined with the opposing view, the “anti-thesis,” and the result is called the “synthesis.”

In the Bible we see Satan cause the fall of man through the use of Diaprax (the practice of the dialectic). Eve tells the Serpent that God has commanded that of the tree in the midst of the garden, that they “shall not eat of” it. That is the thesis. Then Satan offers an opposing opinion (the antithesis) that flies in the face of the Word of God, telling Eve about the benefits of eating the forbidden fruit. Eve joins the two views and comes up with the synthesis – the fruit is “good food,” “pleasant to the eye” and will “make one wise.” Through Adam and Eve’s reasoning, God’s eternal truth was reasoned away, and the curse of death replaced the gift of eternal life.

No Christian can follow the Lord of the Bible, and partake of Diaprax. You cannot serve two masters, and the practicing of the Dialectic is an insidious process that now permeates all forms of society – including the “management” practices of the corporate Christian church.

In the same manner that Diaprax was used to “facilitate” the fall of man, it is today “facilitating” the complete destruction of our country. The American family has moved from Patriarchic (the Biblical model of the family) to the more Diaprax-oriented Matriarchic. The end result may be referred to as Heresyarchic. The synthesis of the Patriarchal and the Matriarchal is Heresy-archical. Satan tempted (diapraxed) Eve who compromised the fact based instructions of God the sake of relationship – the then nascent dialog with the Serpent.

Obviously, men are also susceptible to the same approach, for Adam willfully disobeyed God for the sake of the relationship with Eve – who had already eaten of the fruit. When reduced to a simple philosophical paradigm, God’s Word is absolute and is true. This is the Thesis.

As various doctrinal approaches to Christianity vie for pre-eminence, while posing as interpretive systems, they ultimately put forward the Antithesis. As Christians seek to maintain their relationships with churches, family, friends, government, etc. (see Mark 13:12) slowly erode (sacrifice) their previously firm stance on the pure fact of God’s word in order to preserve the relationship. Thus, each person is eventually processed and a Synthesis is reached.

Virtually all organizational structures are presently moving in the spirit of Diaprax. Every city council, county board of commissioners, courthouse, church board of Elders, and corporate enterprise is deeply enmeshed in the process.

In this fashion, previously Protestant organizations that were staunchly anti-Papist are now embracing the heresy of Rome. Previously conservative Christian groups are slowly allowing women to become pastors, homosexuals to be married in the church, and firm doctrines such as the Virgin birth to be liberally “spiritualized.” Bibles (such as the NIV) are being translated via a system known as “dynamic equivalency” which is built on the process of the Diaprax – a translational dialogue to consensus.

On the political front, the once great American Republic is Diapraxing itself into a totalitarian police state, and falling in line with the One-World United Nations government that the Scriptures declare will arise in the last days. After “dialoguing to consensus” on the subject of security versus personal freedom, the public has moved from the absolute guarantee of The Bill Of Rights (the thesis) and forfeited personal freedoms (the synthesis) because the compromise is necessary in order for the government to “protect” us – the threat to our security being the antithesis.

The consensus (the result of the social Diaprax) has concluded that “peace and safety” is more important than individual freedoms.

The process works in literally thousands of environments and is now running at full speed. Interestingly enough, the American Peoples Encyclopedia states that the Diaprax “can come to rest only at the apex of a hierarchial system.” Its early 20th century fruits were Communism and Fascism. This is the mechanism for the ultimate hierarchic system which the Bible tells us will be ruled by the globalist elite with their inevitable Antichrist (the synthesis) at the top of the political pyramid that is presently being constructed.

Sadly, most mainstream Christian churches are allowing the Diapraxing of their values as codified in the Ten Commandments – the Thesis. The Antithesis is Government sanctioned Abortion, Homosexuality, Pornography, Divorce, and many other non-Christian behaviors. Because the incorporated state-sanctioned churches are required by law to respond in a certain fashion to these sins in order to maintain their 501(c)(3) non-profit status, the churches have compromised the truth of God’s word in order to preserve the relationship with the government.

The inevitable Synthesis is a powerless church that has “become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit… .” (Revelation 18:3)

Once again, a simple example of the Diaprax process in the Christian church works like this: Homosexuality is a sin (God’s truth). This is the Thesis, the truth of God. Man reasons that Jesus loves everyone, therefore we should love everyone. This is the Antithesis. Thus, the Synthesis is that the church accepts (or simply tolerates) the sin because it loves the sinner.

For Christians, all SIN is the inevitable result of practicing Diaprax. The conscience deals in truth in absolute black and white – thou shalt not, right or wrong, yes or no. Man’s “ego” deals in the gray zone of feelings and emotions – the desires of man’s lustful heart – could be, should, wannabe, etc. So we compromise God’s truth with our reasoning, and we sin. Unless you have “the mind of Christ,” the end result for all humanity is a reprobate mind that has brought the organized Christian church and the freedom loving people of America to the point where they are now embracing the diabolical system of The Antichrist and his False Prophet – the Diaprax.

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.” – Isaiah 55:8

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It is interesting that you had to insert in parentheses what you “think” Rob Bell means in Velvet Elvis (when you inserted “having faith”) and that you had to reference something someone else said (Pat), rather than give exact quotes from Rob Bell. Even if you think what Rob is teaching is heresy, you are still not handling yourself in a proper manner by making statements about him that are not true.

His statement that there is nothing we do to make our salvation true could just as easily be construed as there are no “works” we can do to get salvation.

You choose to interpret Rob’s statement in a way that is not clearly mentioned in the paragraph. I am a judge (by profession) and the statements you are making about him would not hold up in court as being supported based upon what you have provided about him so far. You have not provided any solid evidence to back up your harsh and slanderous comments about Rob Bell. Until you can back up your statements with hard facts (without your interpretations built into them), you should be more charitable. I do not agree with everything Rob Bell teaches, but I am tired of people attacking him without a justified basis.

I imagine you will see whatever you want to see and will not be persuaded by reality. But, if anybody else is reading this, my hope is that they will learn from this discussion and come away realizing how much more we need to be charitable with one another.

Peace of Christ to all!

A person named Pat on November 29th posted on this blog explaining what Rob Bell teaches in his “The gods aren’t angry” tour. It’s called Christian Universalism. It is the belief that because of Jesus’ death on the cross (as a payment for all the sins of the world) that all people are saved. People don’t have to have faith in Jesus or even know of Jesus. Jesus saved everyone by what He did and reconciled all things to God.

My Husband keeps telling me to stick to one topic when I talk about Rob Bell. But that is so hard to do because he is spreading so many wrong teachings. I’ll stick to this one topic because it is an important one. People are saved through FAITH in Jesus. Yes, Jesus died for ALL but we must hear of Him and place our faith in Him to be saved. These are the places where Rob Bell teaches Christian Universalism in his book Velvet Elvis. For example, he says on page 21 – “Jesus at one point claimed to be ‘the way, the truth, and the life’”. He states about this verse that “Jesus was not making claims about one religion being better than all the other religions.” Do you see how Rob Bell shifts the topic to religion rather than the exclusivity about salvation that Christ was claiming in John 14:6? On page 146 he says, “This reality (forgiveness and reconciliation) isn’t something we make true about ourselves by doing something (having faith). It is already true. Our choice is to live in this new reality or cling to a reality of our own making.” What Rob Bell is teaching is that we are ALREADY saved we just need to realize it. Here are some scriptures that clearly show that the teaching that all men are already saved is false:

John 3:16-18
“For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because He has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.”

Romans 1:16-17
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew then for the Gentile. For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”

Acts 16:30-31
He then brought them out and asked, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved – you and your household.”

Ephesians 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith – and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works, so that no one can boast.

Do you see? Living Jesus’ way does not save a person. A person must have faith, they must believe in Jesus. Living the way of Jesus by doing good works does not save us. But, so that no man can boast, God has made it so that we aren’t saved by what we do or how we live. But rather, we are saved by our faith in God the Son, Jesus.